Comments on: James Holmes, Aurora, & Batman: When White People Use Guns To Kill, Everyone Gets Sad http://www.rippdemup.com/2012/07/when-white-people-use-guns-to-kill-everyone-gets-sad/ It's like a jungle sometimes it makes me wonder... Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:45:00 +0000 hourly 1 By: RiPPa http://www.rippdemup.com/2012/07/when-white-people-use-guns-to-kill-everyone-gets-sad/#comment-2867 RiPPa Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:45:00 +0000 http://www.rippdemup.com/?p=7193#comment-2867 And homicide is the only crime? Also, do the numbers account for unrepirted or unsolved crimes of homicide? Lastly, if whites are generally more peaceful than blacks as you say, why then are most atrocities around the globe attributed to white folks? And homicide is the only crime? Also, do the numbers account for unrepirted or unsolved crimes of homicide? Lastly, if whites are generally more peaceful than blacks as you say, why then are most atrocities around the globe attributed to white folks?

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By: tpashwill http://www.rippdemup.com/2012/07/when-white-people-use-guns-to-kill-everyone-gets-sad/#comment-2866 tpashwill Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:20:00 +0000 http://www.rippdemup.com/?p=7193#comment-2866 I posted above. Enjoy. People refuse to acknowledge it and the news doesnt report race like it used to but the facts are the facts. I posted above. Enjoy. People refuse to acknowledge it and the news doesnt report race like it used to but the facts are the facts.

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By: TPAshwill http://www.rippdemup.com/2012/07/when-white-people-use-guns-to-kill-everyone-gets-sad/#comment-2865 TPAshwill Mon, 30 Jul 2012 22:19:00 +0000 http://www.rippdemup.com/?p=7193#comment-2865 http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm This shows white v. black for homicide. That is actually skewed because they count mexicans as white in these statistical analysis but you get the idea. If you actually broke it down by race you would see that white people are generally peace loving and productive. Unlike their black counterparts who have a tendency to destroy their own communities and any community they happen to become a part of. http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/homicide/race.cfm

This shows white v. black for homicide. That is actually skewed because they count mexicans as white in these statistical analysis but you get the idea. If you actually broke it down by race you would see that white people are generally peace loving and productive. Unlike their black counterparts who have a tendency to destroy their own communities and any community they happen to become a part of.

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By: RiPPa http://www.rippdemup.com/2012/07/when-white-people-use-guns-to-kill-everyone-gets-sad/#comment-2860 RiPPa Mon, 30 Jul 2012 19:35:00 +0000 http://www.rippdemup.com/?p=7193#comment-2860 For me, I see the problem as urban violence being addressed as "black on black crime". For many of the people you mentioned, who live outside of these communities, said violence is framed as a racial problem. To do so, quite naturally the short-sighted opinions with racial undertones will be manifested. Violence is an American probolem, and it's not exclusive to the black community. I mean think about it: 80% of all people in America live in urban communities - surely they're not all black and brown people. And, you're very right as far as most criticisms not being solution oriented. As far as gun violence, tghere is much that can and needs to be done to stop illegal gun purchases. As difficult as it is to legislate morality, measures can be taken to police the illegal sales of guns, which are mostly done by gun dealers themselves. It's like the silly war on drugs. Most of the targets are the individuals who use drugs, as well as small level street dealers. The idea is that if you kill the demand, the problem will go away. as you know, that shit hasn't worked and is being used as a tool to fuel an already thriving prison industrial complex. Well, how come we never hear about dealers going to prison for selling those guns that mysteriously fall off the back of a truck? Getting guns off the streets is one thing. But, preventing them from getting them on the streets seems to be a more effective strategy. Overall, you are correct to point out that there are larger underlying issues un-addressed at play. Thing is, I don't think anyone cares to actually address them. For me, I see the problem as urban violence being addressed as “black on black crime”. For many of the people you mentioned, who live outside of these communities, said violence is framed as a racial problem. To do so, quite naturally the short-sighted opinions with racial undertones will be manifested.

Violence is an American probolem, and it’s not exclusive to the black community. I mean think about it: 80% of all people in America live in urban communities – surely they’re not all black and brown people. And, you’re very right as far as most criticisms not being solution oriented. As far as gun violence, tghere is much that can and needs to be done to stop illegal gun purchases. As difficult as it is to legislate morality, measures can be taken to police the illegal sales of guns, which are mostly done by gun dealers themselves.

It’s like the silly war on drugs. Most of the targets are the individuals who use drugs, as well as small level street dealers. The idea is that if you kill the demand, the problem will go away. as you know, that shit hasn’t worked and is being used as a tool to fuel an already thriving prison industrial complex. Well, how come we never hear about dealers going to prison for selling those guns that mysteriously fall off the back of a truck? Getting guns off the streets is one thing. But, preventing them from getting them on the streets seems to be a more effective strategy.

Overall, you are correct to point out that there are larger underlying issues un-addressed at play. Thing is, I don’t think anyone cares to actually address them.

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By: Joanna Iovino http://www.rippdemup.com/2012/07/when-white-people-use-guns-to-kill-everyone-gets-sad/#comment-2857 Joanna Iovino Mon, 30 Jul 2012 18:32:00 +0000 http://www.rippdemup.com/?p=7193#comment-2857 I think there is a bit of a double edged sword when speaking of violence in communities of color. I am in Hartford, CT, a city which is 83% POC. My specific neighborhood is 99% POC. I am involved in anti-violence groups in my neighborhood. And I know there is a bit of an issue/problem when people who are NOT from this neighborhood and who are NOT from this city address violence in the community. On the one hand, their assessments of the violence in the North End of Hartford (where I live) REEK of racism OR they simply do not even attempt to understand the underlying issues that people who live in this community experience. I know I have had people tell me that they DO NOT want people addressing the issue of urban violence from their suburban couches because they do so in a very judgmental fashion and do not even bother to attempt to address the broader social issues underlying the violence. The people who live WITHIN my neighborhood/city are very vociferous about the gun violence here..... the white folks in the suburbs or in the downtown/west end/and south end do not talk about it.... but really, who cares???? They are not going to be the ones to join in on the front lines of the struggle against violence, esp since most of them are scared to even set foot in the north end! I think there is a bit of a double edged sword when speaking of violence in communities of color. I am in Hartford, CT, a city which is 83% POC. My specific neighborhood is 99% POC. I am involved in anti-violence groups in my neighborhood. And I know there is a bit of an issue/problem when people who are NOT from this neighborhood and who are NOT from this city address violence in the community. On the one hand, their assessments of the violence in the North End of Hartford (where I live) REEK of racism OR they simply do not even attempt to understand the underlying issues that people who live in this community experience.

I know I have had people tell me that they DO NOT want people addressing the issue of urban violence from their suburban couches because they do so in a very judgmental fashion and do not even bother to attempt to address the broader social issues underlying the violence. The people who live WITHIN my neighborhood/city are very vociferous about the gun violence here….. the white folks in the suburbs or in the downtown/west end/and south end do not talk about it…. but really, who cares???? They are not going to be the ones to join in on the front lines of the struggle against violence, esp since most of them are scared to even set foot in the north end!

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By: RiPPa http://www.rippdemup.com/2012/07/when-white-people-use-guns-to-kill-everyone-gets-sad/#comment-2841 RiPPa Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:34:00 +0000 http://www.rippdemup.com/?p=7193#comment-2841 My point was that nobody cares to talk about gun control until an incident like this pops off in middle America, far removed from where most people live. If we're going to discuss gun control, why not discuss straw purchases, and the 40% of illegal gun sales that constitutes the percentage of all sales? To me, it's silly to have a debate driven mostly by the media, about a ban on assault weapons and the number of rounds purchased by Holmes. None of it solves the real problem that is gun violence in America. But yet, let's ignore it when it happens in communities of color? My point was that nobody cares to talk about gun control until an incident like this pops off in middle America, far removed from where most people live. If we’re going to discuss gun control, why not discuss straw purchases, and the 40% of illegal gun sales that constitutes the percentage of all sales? To me, it’s silly to have a debate driven mostly by the media, about a ban on assault weapons and the number of rounds purchased by Holmes. None of it solves the real problem that is gun violence in America. But yet, let’s ignore it when it happens in communities of color?

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By: Joanna Iovino http://www.rippdemup.com/2012/07/when-white-people-use-guns-to-kill-everyone-gets-sad/#comment-2840 Joanna Iovino Sat, 28 Jul 2012 15:58:00 +0000 http://www.rippdemup.com/?p=7193#comment-2840 The coverage of white killers makes me sick because it is always a bunch of hand wringing and psychoanalysis. HOWEVER, I think when people begin to discuss gun control in these cases rather than in cases of people killed in the inner city, it makes perfect sense. Why? Because these folks have legally obtained guns, while most inner city gun violence is a result of illegal weapons. Gun control laws cannot control what is already illegal and gun conrol laws do nothing to stop the illegal gun trade, it can only make it more difficult to obtain legal weapons. So, what is the purpose to talk about criminalizing posession of a gun when the posession of most guns used in the inner cities is already a crime? The coverage of white killers makes me sick because it is always a bunch of hand wringing and psychoanalysis. HOWEVER, I think when people begin to discuss gun control in these cases rather than in cases of people killed in the inner city, it makes perfect sense. Why? Because these folks have legally obtained guns, while most inner city gun violence is a result of illegal weapons. Gun control laws cannot control what is already illegal and gun conrol laws do nothing to stop the illegal gun trade, it can only make it more difficult to obtain legal weapons. So, what is the purpose to talk about criminalizing posession of a gun when the posession of most guns used in the inner cities is already a crime?

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By: For_The_Masses http://www.rippdemup.com/2012/07/when-white-people-use-guns-to-kill-everyone-gets-sad/#comment-2839 For_The_Masses Sat, 28 Jul 2012 07:57:00 +0000 http://www.rippdemup.com/?p=7193#comment-2839 The media doesn't dedicate segment after segment cuddling a black person who committed crimes and appointing their analysis to figure out why, but is clearly doing it with Holmes. I have watch for the past week the coverage and it is sickening. The media is basically saying, poor baby what went wrong to Holmes, he was such a smart kid. I have not seen any mainstream coverage of the atrocities occurring in Chicago, how can the media walk on egg shells when reporting black on black crime when they don't report it at all. Furthermore, try living in NYC where a white guy wearing orange, pink, blue, etc hair is the norm. Get your head out of the sand..... The media doesn’t dedicate segment after segment cuddling a black person who committed crimes and appointing their analysis to figure out why, but is clearly doing it with Holmes. I have watch for the past week the coverage and it is sickening. The media is basically saying, poor baby what went wrong to Holmes, he was such a smart kid. I have not seen any mainstream coverage of the atrocities occurring in Chicago, how can the media walk on egg shells when reporting black on black crime when they don’t report it at all. Furthermore, try living in NYC where a white guy wearing orange, pink, blue, etc hair is the norm. Get your head out of the sand…..

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By: For_The_Masses http://www.rippdemup.com/2012/07/when-white-people-use-guns-to-kill-everyone-gets-sad/#comment-2838 For_The_Masses Sat, 28 Jul 2012 07:53:00 +0000 http://www.rippdemup.com/?p=7193#comment-2838 Wrong, black people do not commit all the crime. Bring those stats back here and show us. I know the answer, but let's see if you bold enough to pick up your face and post facts. Wrong, black people do not commit all the crime. Bring those stats back here and show us. I know the answer, but let’s see if you bold enough to pick up your face and post facts.

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By: RiPPa http://www.rippdemup.com/2012/07/when-white-people-use-guns-to-kill-everyone-gets-sad/#comment-2837 RiPPa Sat, 28 Jul 2012 01:01:00 +0000 http://www.rippdemup.com/?p=7193#comment-2837 You say, "Black people commit nearly all the crime." I would love to see you provide data to support this claim. When you do, there's a strong chance that I won't consider you to be as racist and ignorant as you seem to be. You say, “Black people commit nearly all the crime.” I would love to see you provide data to support this claim. When you do, there’s a strong chance that I won’t consider you to be as racist and ignorant as you seem to be.

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